Motor Height and Water pump intake at WOT ??

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Hi all, Please help ??

So I've had an on/off issue with my Boat Motor. Quick Summary - I believe at WOT I'm getting cavitation that is getting sucked into the water pump intake.

Most all info I can find on the Internet confuses ventilation (Sucking air from the water surface) and Cavitation (Water changing state from Liquid to vapor and back to Liquid due to prop made low pressures at the prop) so finding an answer has been very difficult.

Details, With My Merc Phone Vessel View app /motor connection - 2018 Merc 4s 60hp CT ME60ELPT Long shaft. Engine Starts and gets to 120F and holds steady at idol. I can drive it at any speed UP TO 3/4+ throttle and temps hold at 140f. Short / longer run times - same. 18 Foot 2000 2 toon Pontoon. Current prop - Mercury | Style: 14" Dia. X 11" Pitch - Qa2030x 3Blade

When I get it to WOT 5k+ RPM and Trim up to get best speed - the Temp climbs to Overheat (OH). If I Full tilt down (in) and run WOT it's better, RPM drops a tad due to bow down, to just over 5K and it runs fine at 140f - EXCEPT when I TURN ! left then it climbs to OH.

IT did this 2nd year I had it (not often I do an extended WOT run). And I rarely have the temp / phone app in the boat to monitor ,temp. And I do have cavitation burns on my prop.


So I'm thinking the following possibilities....

Thermostat is 2? years old and I think is OK. (been changed multiple times in the past)

Water impeller is 4? years old and due for a change but I think it's fine ... (low hours only clean Fresh water, no sand/mud, etc.).

Motor's cavitation plate /motor mount height SEEMS to be in correct position height wise - but the engine "Might" go down a little (one hole) - depending on how the holes line up - I might have to re drill if I'm off on the hole pattern. (but even with tilt full in and only when turning I get higher temps ).

I Doubt I'm sucking air (Ventilation) in at the prop at WOT as the Tilt is all the way in - but slightly possible.

I'm thinking that I'm getting cavitation (Water boiling at low pressure at the prop) that may be causing it swirl around the prop and water intake hole and preventing the water from flowing close to the intake holes???

It's said that 4 blade prop instead of 3 blade prevents some cavitation. 13.8" x 11P prop 4 blade .= 4 blade (cross ref to the best prop from my 3 blade 11 pitch).

Any thoughts ?? I have a 13.8" x 11P prop 4 blade on order.

- IS there a good diagram that shows cavitation plate height with respect "two" ponton bottom edges ??

Thanks Greatly !!! SteveC
 
My first few questions: Do you have a spotter? Is he tell-tale spraying water no matter what, or does that pretty much slow or stop when you are in situations where you get your OH warning & temps per Vessel View and the motor? When using the boat in the ways that causes the OH, can you see the cavitation plate? Is it above water line, at it, or submerged?
 
some pics/video while running normal/turning would maybe help too? tough to say, but i'd bet you are mounted too high....

that said, trimming down while turning in a pontoon is pretty normal or you'll ventilate/blowout the prop. I haven't heard of overheating in the process till now though... definitely a water flow issue...
 
Have you checked you intake holes ? Could be plugged.
 
Curious if the OP checks his.
 
Attached photo shows the so called cavitation plate slightly out of the water. I do not have aeration or cooling problems with this height.
 

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Attached photo shows the so called cavitation plate slightly out of the water. I do not have aeration or cooling problems with this height.
 

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I think he has this on a pontoon (not mentioned) and not running a 10" offset jackplate which allows you to run the engine higher. I'm thinking his engine is mounted too high and/or he has too much bow weight and it needs some stern squat.
 
He hasn't been back to see our answers .
 
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He hasn't been back to see our answers .
I'm here !! I waiting for a 2nd person to drive while I look, take pics and a Vid. I looked long ago and seemed to me the cavitation plate was just under the water. Of course that depends on tilt too ... Water input is clean. No Jack plate, 18' Sun tracker. Motor is on factory mount and is approx 1"? from fully down to top of mount plate - I'm on next to lowest mount holes. This may be because when I bought the motor new in 2018 and the dealer mounted this one - it was the lowest it would mount to old mount holes / holes' pitch??? (Previous motor was 1999 60hp Merc Long shaft? Carb 2 cycle).

Thanks All for the help. Give me a day or two for the pics.

SteveC
 
some pics/video while running normal/turning would maybe help too? tough to say, but i'd bet you are mounted too high....

that said, trimming down while turning in a pontoon is pretty normal or you'll ventilate/blowout the prop. I haven't heard of overheating in the process till now though... definitely a water flow issue...
Note : Full down - straight run is fine. Left turn when full down causes OH. I "Might" be able to go down one more hole if it it lets me...
 
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Attached photo shows the so called cavitation plate slightly out of the water. I do not have aeration or cooling problems with this height.
This looks like it's on a 3 toon - mounted on mid toon??? If this changes the incoming water stream to the lower unit. In a 2 toon, it's hanging in water - and not behind a transom carving a trench in the water. JMO
 
Sun Tracker ?You don't have a Bennington?
 
Well, I thought I'd check here to see if any else had similar issues. ?? Otherwise I apologize.
 
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